Curse

dunky_g · Dec 07, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

With the introduction of the Zaishen Chest and the 'rare' wepons dropping from it, is this the way that Anet have decided to bring the prices of 'rares' down? considering the chest has only been there a short time, there have been many wepons dropping from it that were only possible to get from a certain place before or were hoh drops, but this means that these wepons become more accessable.

thoughts?

Sasuke The Betrayer · Dec 07, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

They do become easier to access, but the drop rate on these things are ridiculous. 20 Keys and like 5 golds. It won't do much.

makosi · Dec 07, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

So many Crystallines in High-End. Also Eternal Blades, Stygian Reavers and other wammotastic rares.

Good move for the majority but it will annoy the comparatively small portion of bazillion-ecto traders.

WTB Crystalline req.9 5k ok.

Drop of Fear · Dec 07, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

with no more expansion coming, giving anything to anyone is the perfect solution to keep the masses playing till gw2 is close to release and the hype machine starts to work again

kobey · Dec 07, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

I am waiting for chest that drops rare mini pets

:P

Antheus · Dec 07, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Can you earn 5k faction every 2 minutes?

That's how fast chest running goes.

lyra_song · Dec 07, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

/minipanda plz

MagmaRed · Dec 07, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

The Zaishen Chest has nothing to do (ok, little to do) with Anets working with the in game economy. They are trying to revive PvP. With no way to buy keys from a merchant with gold, you have to earn Balthazar Faction or Reward Points. The only way to do this is PvP (or snowball fighting, etc.). PvE players who want to work on titles like Drunkard, Sweettooth, Wisdom, etc. will be playing PvP to earn free points towards those titles. It also allows people with permanent PvP characters a way to work on some titles normally left to PvE players.

Since the Zaishen will only give you 2k Faction a day, there is no quick, easy way to earn enough faction to open this chest a lot. The people who want to use it a lot will be playing PvP to earn the faction needed for more keys.

It means more newbs in PvP, but it also means more people in PvP. When those new people decide its fun, they may stay long term, and stop being newbs.

This has potential to be very good for PvP.

Drop of Fear · Dec 07, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Can you earn 5k faction every 2 minutes?

That's how fast chest running goes.

actualy chestrunning is
BUY 100 keys
OPEN 100 chests in 2 hours or little more/less depends how good u are

and this is
BUY 100 keys
OPEN the zaishen chest 100 times in 5 minutes

lacasner · Dec 07, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Make it so that you can exchange keys for balth faction and reward points, or vice versa. That is ftw.

Onarik Amrak · Dec 07, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

I suppose it just means that now everyone has a chance, albeit slim, of obtaining something worth a whole lot of plat.

Fried Tech · Dec 07, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

The Zaishen Chest has nothing to do (ok, little to do) with Anets working with the in game economy. They are trying to revive PvP. With no way to buy keys from a merchant with gold, you have to earn Balthazar Faction or Reward Points. The only way to do this is PvP (or snowball fighting, etc.). PvE players who want to work on titles like Drunkard, Sweettooth, Wisdom, etc. will be playing PvP to earn free points towards those titles. It also allows people with permanent PvP characters a way to work on some titles normally left to PvE players.

Since the Zaishen will only give you 2k Faction a day, there is no quick, easy way to earn enough faction to open this chest a lot. The people who want to use it a lot will be playing PvP to earn the faction needed for more keys.

It means more newbs in PvP, but it also means more people in PvP. When those new people decide its fun, they may stay long term, and stop being newbs.

This has potential to be very good for PvP.

I couldn't agree more. I have a feeling that pvp is going to be blowing up for the next couple months.

Antheus · Dec 07, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

actualy chestrunning is
BUY 100 keys
OPEN 100 chests in 2 hours or little more/less depends how good u are

and this is
BUY 100 keys
OPEN the zaishen chest 100 times in 5 minutes

That is - assuming that balthazar's keys are readily available. They are a limited supply resource. And right now, most people sold keys fast since they had faction banked.

But earning new 5k isn't as fast.

Quote:

I suppose it just means that now everyone has a chance, albeit slim, of obtaining something worth a whole lot of plat.

This hasn't changed. Everyone has always had a chance of that.

IslandHermet · Dec 07, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

The chest is ment for UAX (unlocked Everything) players, that allready have hundreds of toruney tokens and have no desire to do dumb old IGANK hero battles.

I am happy they put this in now I dont have to keep adding to the endless Tokens in my invintory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

The Zaishen Chest has nothing to do (ok, little to do) with Anets working with the in game economy. They are trying to revive PvP. With no way to buy keys from a merchant with gold, you have to earn Balthazar Faction or Reward Points. The only way to do this is PvP (or snowball fighting, etc.). PvE players who want to work on titles like Drunkard, Sweettooth, Wisdom, etc. will be playing PvP to earn free points towards those titles. It also allows people with permanent PvP characters a way to work on some titles normally left to PvE players.

Since the Zaishen will only give you 2k Faction a day, there is no quick, easy way to earn enough faction to open this chest a lot. The people who want to use it a lot will be playing PvP to earn the faction needed for more keys.

It means more newbs in PvP, but it also means more people in PvP. When those new people decide its fun, they may stay long term, and stop being newbs.

This has potential to be very good for PvP.

The zaishen challenge is for PVP newbies who cannot win RA or AB or TA battles and have to trap for faction which is sad.

There are many easy was for you to earn faction. Become a better player and AB/RA/TA/GVG/HA.

MagmaRed · Dec 07, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

The chest is ment for UAX (unlocked Everything) players, that allready have hundreds of toruney tokens and have no desire to do dumb old IGANK hero battles.

I am happy they put this in now I dont have to keep adding to the endless Tokens in my invintory.

The zaishen challenge is for PVP newbies who cannot win RA or AB or TA battles and have to trap for faction which is sad.

There are many easy was for you to earn faction. Become a better player and AB/RA/TA/GVG/HA.

I agree with what you say about Zaishen. However, think about all the PvE players rushing to open that new chest. They will find they need Faction to get more keys. They are PvE players, and will want a fast, easy method to gain that 5k faction. Zaishen is easy, even for a PvE scrub. Zaishen, however, is limited. It will take 3 days of Zaishen to get 1 key. This is not fast, by any stretch of the imagination.

This now means they will either go back to PvE, or learn how to deal with things like RA, AB, and HvH. If they decide they like it, they may move on to TA, HA, and GvG.

IslandHermet · Dec 07, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

I agree with what you say about Zaishen. However, think about all the PvE players rushing to open that new chest. They will find they need Faction to get more keys. They are PvE players, and will want a fast, easy method to gain that 5k faction. Zaishen is easy, even for a PvE scrub. Zaishen, however, is limited. It will take 3 days of Zaishen to get 1 key. This is not fast, by any stretch of the imagination.

This now means they will either go back to PvE, or learn how to deal with things like RA, AB, and HvH. If they decide they like it, they may move on to TA, HA, and GvG.

they are not UAX and are spending faction on keys when they should be unlocking every skill they can.

We should not care if they can not earn faction fast. thats the difference between good players and bad players
having a understanding of how the game works and skills/builds/chars makes you a better player who can gain faction like it is nothing.

If they refuse to develope these skills and only want to kill monsters for the fact of killing Stay in PVE and continue to be a bad player.

Shadow Spirit · Dec 07, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I think this is great! Nice to have another way to spend faction.

I don't think it will have much effect on the economy though. I doubt the chests will just start spitting up crystallines like crazy. The rare stuff will still be rare.

MagmaRed · Dec 07, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

they are not UAX and are spending faction on keys when they should be unlocking every skill they can.

We should not care if they can not earn faction fast. thats the difference between good players and bad players
having a understanding of how the game works and skills/builds/chars makes you a better player who can gain faction like it is nothing.

If they refuse to develope these skills and only want to kill monsters for the fact of killing Stay in PVE and continue to be a bad player.

Possibly. I know quite a few people who have been playing for 2+ years and are not UAX. I am, and am glad I am, as it gives me lots of options. However, the people I know who are not, do not play poorly, use intelligent builds, and have great game knowledge.

There will always, ALWAYS, be noobs in PvP, even if that is all the person does for 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, and bought the PvP packs. You should be glad PvE players (even the noobs) will be playing PvP. It opens up more options for making teams, it gives easy victories for the experienced playing against the noobs, and it refreshes a stagnant part of the game.

Maybe, with luck, those PvE players coming to PvP for the sole purpose of the Zaishen chest will learn. If they find someone/guild that can teach them, they can become a good PvP player, and make the PvP part of the game worth playing again for many of the people who have stopped.

Navaros · Dec 07, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I got a crap lousy normal mesmer tome when I used a Zaishen Key. Definitely not worth the time it takes to accrue 5000 faction just to get a crap lousy mesmer tome. I imagine the extreme crappiness of my mesmer tome is typical of the "quality" of items that the Zaishen chest drops. Therefore I disagree with the OP's idea that the Zaishen chests are a solution to anything.

Onarik Amrak · Dec 07, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

This hasn't changed. Everyone has always had a chance of that.

Ah, but the difference is that everyone can get 5k faction no matter how bad you are at PvP.

Not everyone can capture and hold HoH.

Nor can everyone finish elite dungeons.